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TODAY I Am Quitting My Job and Living Abroad

America, I’m done. I’ve decided that living abroad is the best bet for my long term happiness. And really, it’s painful to write because I didn’t want it to be like this.

This is kind of written as a “letter” of some sorts to my parents. They’ve been quite supportive. I can never thank them enough for having the confidence in me. At the same time, I tried to explain everything behind the reasoning behind living abroad. But it was a lot to process. I don’t know if they will ever fully understand. Nor do I expect them to. They grew up in a different generation than I did. They didn’t have the same opportunities, for better or worse, that I do. But I’m going to try to explain it. So here goes.

Dear Mom & Dad…

I’m Leaving America & Living Abroad

For so many years, I was proud to be an American.

There was a certain pride in everyone’s voice when we recited the Pledge of Allegiance, or sang The Star Spangled Banner. From the time I was born, I always believed that America was the best country in the world. I never even considered the possibility of studying abroad, much less living abroad.

But for many years, I was also confused as to the why behind that belief.

Something always gnawed at my gut. Didn’t feel right. Like going for a run right after eating a meal. No matter what I did, how hard I worked, and how much I did exactly what American society told me was right, I was never truly happy. I’d go as far as to say I was truly unhappy. You saw me grow up an unhappy child with a Pandora’s box full of problems.

Life was always a struggle for me, despite the fact that on paper I had everything.

  1. A loving family.
  2. Enough money that it never impacted our quality of life.
  3. A roof over our head in the American suburbs.

The thing is, even though I lost a lot of weight and turned my life around, I still wasn’t truly happy.

I was faking it.

It honestly took until I graduated college, started working, and making my own money that I began to really feel some self of worth. Because the entire time I was in college, I was trapped. I was doing exactly what I was supposed to be doing and still not getting the results that I truly wanted. For a while after graduation, I was working full time and was happy. But then I started traveling. Now I find myself conflicted…

Because my life was supposed to look like the below and it isn’tAt all.

I was supposed to get good grades in high school, get accepted into college, earn my degree, and start a career  I would work hard in said career, putting in however many hours necessary to advance and make more money. I would find that one nice girl who made me want to forget everyone else, and we would have a wedding and raise a beautiful family. Of course, this would all be surrounded by a white picket fence.

Flowers would bloom in the spring while the children frolicked in the yard. Summer days would consist of BBQs and pool parties with the neighbors. Summer would transition into the orange and red leaves of fall, and the start of another school year. The little munchkins would get out of the car and bound up the steps to school to yet another year of learning, while I watched from the driver’s seat as I realized another year passed me by. Finally, winter would roll around, and with it the excitement of the holidays. Traveling to the mountains to pick up a Christmas tree, and hot cocoa around the fire.

But it seems the above life wasn’t meant to be for me.

The career – sucks.

Nice girl in America? Forget it. I became a player who dates four girls at a time. I wrote a book on how to have sex with women off the Internet. I worked harder on that book than I did any college class. I’m more proud of it than my college degree.

Family – If I even found a worthy American woman, I’d get to raise kids in a country where my son gets drugged for being energetic and my daughter is encouraged to be a massive slut.

I came to the realization that I was never happy until I stopped doing exactly what society told me to do. No, this doesn’t mean I broke any major laws. But I started to stand up for myself. Stopped caring what other people thought. Drove a little too fast in my new sports car. Started treating women a little shittier and getting shockingly good results.

Basically, I started realizing the truth.

So let’s rewind first – how happy am I? Or…

Am I Unhappy In Los Angeles?

living abroad

Firstly, I feel the need to explain this. Because on paper, it seems that everything in my life in Los Angeles is peachy. I have a nice apartment in one of the nicest areas of Los Angeles (Santa Monica). I can walk to the beach. I avoid the Los Angeles nightmare of traffic by walking to work. Speaking of work, I clear nearly six figures and I’m not even 25 years old. I’m employed at a very respected company that has a long history of success. I date girls who are hired as princesses at Disneyland. I have a solid group of male friends I can turn to. I travel around the world often, both for pleasure and for work. To top it all off, I managed to escape college with very little debt, and was smart enough to avoid the house/car trap.

So really, I am a free man.

Why the fuck am I walking away from this and living abroad?

You might think I’m a fool and are just keeping your mouth shut.

No, I am not unhappy by any means. Life on paper is very, very good. But something is still missing. Gnawing at my chest. In some ways, it’s anger. Anger that I suspect comes from the fact that I feel I was sold a load of lies about America – it’s people, it’s ethics, and the American Dream itself. And unless I get out and experience for myself what living abroad is like, I know that I will die an unhappy man. Because I don’t like lying. Despite all of my man-whoring and sometimes questionable ethics I practice in my day-to-day life, at the end of the day I am a man who believes in truth.

I only hope that I can discover the truth by living abroad, and that it sets me free.

Why Living Abroad Will Bring Me Happiness

I’ll take this down to categories to avoid a cluster.

The American Dream…of Florescent Lights & Cubicles

I get the feeling I won’t hear a lot of arguments about this one.

On paper, everything sounds fine in regards to a career. Start low, work hard, get promoted. Earn money, retire. Except nobody mentioned to me that I’d simply be pouring my soul into another man’s idea and getting nothing but a paycheck to put food on the table with. No self-discovery, no building an empire – nothing of benefit for me except a comfy chair to sit at, and “stability”.

And the damn chair isn’t even that comfy.

There is absolutely nothing fulfilling about living a life trapped in a cubicle jail cell, taking order from a chain of command consisting of dozens of morons up to the greedy fuck at the top of the chain – who is, by the way, laughing his ass off on the way to the bank in his Ferrari. It’s hard to blame him though. I would do the same.

Meanwhile, the peons at the bottom are constantly bent over the table and forced to grit our teeth while we take another healthy dose of bullshit up our ass. Paid a wage just enough to pay your living expenses, and the cruel irony – enough to buy new toys. But those toys require more than you can pay in cash. So HERE! Take another loan in addition to the student debt. And the car payment. And the mortgage. While you’re at it, you know you need that 85-inch TV. Why? Because the Joneses down the street have an 82-inch. Bigger is always better.

What a cruel deal.

Tease just enough money to give a taste of the good life but don’t actually pay enough to avoid the spiraling pile of debt that most of Americans acquire. And guess what – it’s never enough because that’s just how it is. The American way of life. It’s hard to describe how powerful society’s push can be – it’s irresistible.

Greed spreads.

The life in Corporate America is meant to do nothing but suck your soul away, spit it out, and then maybe give you a piece back of it when you retire at the age of 60 62 65 70.

By the time I’m ready to retire, it will probably be 80. Social security will be run ragged. Who knows, people may be killing each other on the streets for a taco. There’s just no telling these things. I just know that I know there is no way I can put my future health and wealth in the responsibility of our incompetent, wasteful government.

I Plan To Build While Living Abroad

Once I leave the corporate world I’ll be free of obligations. Some people will ask you what I’m doing, and when you tell them the truth – they will scoff at you.

“He gave up his stable engineering job? What is he hoping to accomplish by living abroad? What an idiot.”

I’m sure you will hear it more than once. Perhaps you already have in just the few shorts weeks since I made this decision.

There is no shame in going against the mold and chasing your dreams. People will say anything to make you feel bad about my decision. They may try to go as far as to make you feel like a failure as a parent because I didn’t conform to society’s definition of how I should make a living and live my life.

Fuck them.

You will never get rich in a cubicle.

Engineering is stable, sure.

But it will never make me rich.

To say otherwise is simply foolish.

The only ways to become truly wealthy are to be in high end sales of some sort, or to build and scale a business. Do I care about being “rich”? Not completely, but that’s not to say I wouldn’t turn it down. As an engineer I will be reasonably well off, but will never make a salary higher than $150,000 USD annually. And frankly, the level of stress and bullshit I would likely have to tolerate at that level would never be worth it.

If being an engineer isn’t going to get me rich (think 1mil+ net worth), then I’d much rather live a less stressful life overseas and just be well off.

The only way to get rich is to start my own businesses in some form or another.

The only thing I’m sacrificing in the meantime…is stability. It’s a risk I must take.

The Women I’ll Meet While Living Abroad…

…are absolutely superior to American women in every way, shape, and form.

And it sucks, because I’d much rather have been able to settle down here when it comes time to hang up my player’s coat. If you’d asked me three years ago if I wanted to just find a girlfriend whom I could be happy with, I’d have agreed. I became a ruthless man of the game because I had no choice.

From Dating in America:

I graduated college in 2012, but my freshmen year was 2009. As recently as six years ago, there was a sort of expectation that things would progress with a girl if the following milestones were met:

  • If you kissed a girl on a first date, you would get a second date.
  • If you kissed her the night you met her (say, at a club), you would probably get a date. It wasn’t a guarantee, but probably a 50/50 shot.
  • If you got her phone number at a bar, there was probably a 50/50 shot she returned your text the next day.
  • If you had sex with her on a first date, there would be a second date.
  • If you had sex with her three times, the power was in your hand. It would be up to you what you wanted to do with the relationship.

But now…

  • If you kiss a girl on the first date, it is absolutely no guarantee of a second date.
  • If you kiss her the night you meet her (say, at a club), I’d say you have a 30-40% chance of getting a date. I’d also bet you weren’t the only guy she kissed that night.
  • If you get a phone number at a bar, there’s probably a 30% chance you get a text back. Last weekend my buddy (who has a ton of game) got three numbers. One response, who five days later has gone dead. I got two numbers, one of whom returned my text but has now gone cold.
  • If you have sex on the first date that is absolutely zero guarantee of a second date.
  • If you have sex three times, you still do have the power – but it’s not as much as it. She could still just fall off the radar at any moment.

What choice does a man who is constantly beaten and kicked down by every woman he has ever had a romantic interest have?

Because…I was.

Much like the book I eventually wrote, I studied the lessons of game harder than anything I ever did throughout my entire academic career – because I had no choice. It was either that or die alone. This is not the same generation that existed decades ago. My chances of meeting a nice girl in college, dating her throughout, and settling down with her were zero from the start. That’s because the vast majority of girls at college these days are too busy slutting around and attention whoring to give much of a damn about someone like I was.

They were only interested in the men that were already fucking all of their sorority sisters, so I became one of those men.

Again, not by choice. I would have had a much different life had I been born a generation ago. I would have been an excellent husband and father. Now? I am filled with doubt. Doubtful that I can ever be in a monogamous relationship without straying. Doubtful that there exists a girl good enough to raise my children. Doubtful that I can keep my children away from the poisons of American culture.

I believe that living abroad gives me the best shot at…

  • Finding a young, chaste, and beautiful girl who has our family’s best interests at mind.
    • This means that she is more focused on the children themselves rather than posting pictures of them on Facebook to brag – I’ve seen this more times than I can count.
    • This means she has not spent her youth slutting around “discovering herself”.
    • This means she has an understanding of the value of an older man and the value of her youth and beauty.
  • An affordable home and environment that doesn’t encourage debt.
  • Giving my children the best chance at becoming affable young men and women – not this current culture that encourages men to be pussies and for women to sprout dicks.

Random Other Reasons I’m Living Abroad

The food – why does my food overseas go bad in three days, versus in America where it’s still good three weeks later?

Public transportation – we must own a car because everybody does.

Cost of livingCalifornia might be the most overrated and overpriced place in the world.

In any case…this is it.

February 9th (today) is the day I am packing my bag from the world of Corporate America – hopefully never to return. Well, I have two weeks to go, but needless to say I won’t be doing much.

To all of my readers who have commented on my rantings about my job, and support my blog and work in general – thank you immensely. Having to hold back this official announcement for so long was hard, but I’ve set myself up in a position for long-term success while living abroad. You will continue to get content about girls, self improvement, and of course – life overseas in comparison to America.

To Mom & Dad – I love you both. Please never think that my choice to live abroad was because of any fault of your own, because it’s not the case at all. I could not have asked for more supportive and loving parents; I’m sure you were as “lost” as I was as to the reasoning behind my unhappiness. It took a lot of trial and error long after I had left the nest for me to discover myself and what makes me happy.

Thank you for everything.

Kyle Trouble
 

I'm Kyle "Trouble". I'm a former computer engineer who left the 9-5 in LA at 24 years old and moved to Eastern Europe. I blog about dating, life abroad, and building successful and scalable streams of income.

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Marshallaw - February 9, 2016

Good luck…..

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 9, 2016

    Thank you!

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Dan - February 9, 2016

Could it be you have trouble getting girls because you are a homely loser?

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 9, 2016

    Nope.

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      Dan - February 9, 2016

      Oh.

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all99kyle - February 9, 2016

This is the first article I’ve read of yours (saw it on Braivo’s Twitter feed) and it’s reaffirming of my recent experiences. I have a great job; It’s downright easy. I live in an awesome location. I make solid money. But still I can’t shake this feeling of “wtf am I doing here?” In the end, like you said, I won’t have much to show for it. The fixed paycheck will eventually be spent and I’ll return to work to earn another.

Personally, I don’t plan to pack up and leave the country, but I will be looking into alternate forms of income. Similarly, when I make the move, I plan to write volumes on the experience.

I’ll be following your blog from now on and wish you the best of luck.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 9, 2016

    Thank you man! This is definitely a good first article to read on here, ha.

    Needless to say there will be a lot of upcoming content. Thanks for reading.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 16, 2016

    Wanted to drop your link about quitting so other people can read it, too.

    Check it out guys! http://all99life.com/2016/02/16/how-my-boss-and-ceo-convinced-me-to-quit-my-job/

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      all99kyle - February 16, 2016

      Thanks a lot. I really appreciate that!

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        Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 16, 2016

        You’re quite welcome. Good luck to you on your journey, we’ll stay in touch.

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Bullitt315 - February 9, 2016

Good Luck man. I can’t say the desire to live abroad has never appealed to me but it’s always been a bit too big of a step. I went through the hole “What the hell am I doing with my life” at 27 and took a year off of work. It was less productive than it should have been but getting away from the grind was refreshing.

Financial advice 101: Don’t buy anything you can’t pay cash for except MAYBE a house and don’t buy more than you can afford and, this is a big one, Never finance fun.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 9, 2016

    Thank you! And yes, I won’t. I have zero debt right now and have sold a lot of fun stuff that was on payments, so I know not to go down that road again.

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Mike - February 9, 2016

Good luck bro.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 9, 2016

    Thank you friend!

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Josh Bar - February 10, 2016

Small step for man, big step for mankind.
Inspiring.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 10, 2016

    Thank you dude.

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Jim - February 10, 2016

First, I did the same thing when I was around your age — gave up on my cushy life in America and moved to Eastern Europe. I did it for about 10 years, then married a local girl, moved back to the US, and now have a great family.

My reason had nothing to do with “I hate America” and it seems like yours does, and I’m not sure why. Mine was “I’m bored and I want adventure”.

The various reasons for not liking America are valid, but they’re almost all in your control. Don’t want your kid to be pumped full of Ritalin? Then don’t. As a parent, that’s your decision. Don’t want your daughter to be a slut? Easy — be a good parent and teach her good values.

Worried about getting up to your eyes in debt? Easy — don’t take on debt. Don’t want to buy an 82-inch television to keep up with the Joneses — then don’t!

You act as if society is forcing you to do all this. They’re not. You seem like a strong-willed and intelligent person, so of all people, I’d expect you can easily overcome this. I understand when some uneducated person gets caught in debt — they can get easily swindled and don’t understand numbers well. That’s not going to happen to you, is it?

Don’t like lack of public transportation? Then move to any major US Northeast city — LA is about the worst in the country when it comes to public transportation. Don’t like the cost of living in California? (I heartily agree) There are 49 other states out there.

By all means, go on your trip. For me, it was life-changing and made me who I am today. I’m sure you’ll end up with great experiences and lasting friendships, as I did. But I really don’t see why this is motivated by hatred of America — no one is forcing you to live that lifestyle in the US.

I’ve now been blessed to be successful in the business I started, so we’re very well off financially. I still don’t care about keeping up with my friends or neighbors. If I buy something, it’s because I want it or it’s important to me. I’m confident enough not to care what my friends and neighbors think.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 10, 2016

    Jim, thanks for an extremely well written and thought-provoking comment.

    To answer your question, I think it’s about a 50/50 split – American hate and a desire to have adventure; much like your story. BUT, I tend to bundle the two together at points – i.e. I directly associate the job I have and hate (lack of adventure) with the American lifestyle of long commutes, cubicles, and office politics.

    Of course, it’s not like they don’t have cubicles and commutes in Europe.

    I also look at the foreign girls I’ve dated who are sweet as pie, and who I barely have to run any game on, and then realize I want to date more of them (adventure). Of course then American girls help fuel that with their constant flaking and BS.

    I think I still harbor a bit of resentment – I feel American society “cheated” me and shaved off years of my life with their terrible advice: “Be a nice guy, they date the assholes but MARRY the nice guys (alpha fucks, beta pays the bucks), get a good stable job in an office…etc.”

    But, I am admittedly a person who can be fueled quite well by rage, so I tend to bottle it altogether as a “fuck America” kind of a deal and run with it.

    In any case, you’re spot on – I could overcome all those things, and maybe I will if I decide to move back. But that sounds like an exhausting battle. Who wants to fight a war for your kids for their entire lives, when there are other societies that embrace traditional concepts? I understand it’s hard work, and as men – the work never stops (RELEVANT: https://thisistrouble.com/2014/06/07/what-the-fuck-is-the-point-of-being-a-man/)

    My thought process on other US cities (fully agree on what you mentioned) is that if I’m going to move from all my family and friends, I might as well do it to another country. It’s not like they would visit me much in either case, and I don’t care if it’s a 9 hour flight compared to 5.5.

    Final note: I would be very curious as to what age you are now.

    Thanks again for the compliments and good luck wishes!

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Brianmark - February 10, 2016

Kyle, good luck! You are doing the right thing at the right time. The longer you live the American “Dream” the harder it is to get away. What country will you go to first or plan to live?

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 10, 2016

    Thank you!

    Poland.

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horace osgoode - February 10, 2016

great you are leaving the covert male-bashing hell hole of North America. Guys are such putzes they don’t realize their “prizes” (i.e. entitled women) are mocking them…

https://www.facebook.com/okstupidpage/

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 10, 2016

    I’m definitely looking forward to it.

    Sad FB page indeed.

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Hollentunder - February 11, 2016

Dude whenever you come to Budapest hit me up.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 11, 2016

    Will do. I’ll mostly be posting where I’m at so make sure to leave a comment then and we’ll get in touch.

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gollyath - February 13, 2016

Love Budapest, dude.
Hate that you feel like it was too much & time to bug out.
Not judging, but It just seems like we are here to save the wes t & not condemn it. At least that’s what I plan to do with my life. Save college age and younger men that is. The women will follow. They always do, whether they realize it or not.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 14, 2016

    Who says you can’t save them abroad while writing in a ‘sphere of the internet that is still prominently read by Western men.

    If anything, it sets an example.

    If enough men opt out and walk away from the West then things will have to change.

    Final note: I don’t know how long-term this will be. It may or may not be a “forever” kind of a deal.

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TSK - February 18, 2016

Wow congrats to you for doing what most people would only wish but never would do.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 18, 2016

    Thank you man. I really appreciate that.

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Matt - February 26, 2016

I like your stuff but I think you’re so brainwashed by the sphere that you haven’t fully realized that YOU and only YOU can determine your happiness. You don’t have to follow American societal norms and get into debt. You don’t have to load your kids up with drugs and have them be sluts. There are great girls out there but with your pessimistic outlook on America why would they want to date you? I think you’re doing some great stuff on this blog you’re helping guys out but you sound like a manosphere robot man bitching and moaning about America. Look at McQueen look at Cernovich these are guys that live in America have unbelievable lives, tons of fun, tons of girls and are admired by their peers. They don’t run from their internal problems to Eastern Europe. There are plenty of eastern euro girls here in the USA… Also nobody ever said you HAVE to work in a cubicle, you did this to yourself. You can run from here, but you’ll never find true happiness until you change your attitude. You can find shitty aspects about anywhere in the world but it’s up to YOU to be happy. Good luck

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

    Good comment.

    I’m going to respond and hopefully not sound like I’m playing defense here – that’s really not the goal. But some context is necessary:

    Of course you don’t have to follow all of those norms. I haven’t. I drive an old shitty car. I have no debt, good money in the bank. But, why would you want to FIGHT against all of that? I can date LA girls no problem, I just have to work way harder to break through to them. Some might call me a coward, or say I’m running (not saying you are) – but it just doesn’t make sense to work 5x harder to date girls not as feminine or even good-looking as their American counterparts.

    It comes a point where you’re just running into the same wall over and over. It’s insanity.

    Same thing with kids and them being drugged/becoming sluts. Why fight a tougher battle than necessary? You want to give yourself the best odds. I won’t let pride bite me and my future family in the ass.

    Cernovich doesn’t live in America anywhere near full-time anymore. I’m fairly certain CMQ will be out of LA soon, too. I can admit I could have probably moved somewhere like NYC or Chicago and been happier than LA, but I figured if I was going to make a big change out of California, I’d go big or go home.

    As for the “YOU did this to yourself” comment – of course “I” did – that leads back to the society pressures. I can accept responsibility that I went down the corporate drone path, but…I had no idea there was an alternate way, or that making money online, was even possible until a few years ago. The only path I knew was college -> debt -> marriage -> kids -> mortgage = cubicle.

    And now *I* have removed myself from it, but to say “you did it to yourself” is a bit shortsighted. I didn’t even know I had another option.

    I appreciate the comment though and hope you will respond further.

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      Brissbrass - February 26, 2016

      Matt may not know that I’m also leaving my job and traveling with Kyle this summer. I have two points in response to Matt.

      1. For me the move to Eastern Europe is logistical. It is expensive to live in America. Which is a bad thing if you live here, but a good thing if you travel to another country. The purchasing power an American has with minimal savings in EE is huge. I look at moving to EE as a tactical advantage. In a month I will be able to work full time on my online brand. That is the beauty of the world we live in today. You are missing out on a great opportunity as a young entrepreneur if you are not taking advantage of this purchasing power imbalance. Many of the countries in EE have quality standards of living. This makes working in one of these countries no only enjoyable but financially a great idea. I view this move as an investment for the future. Not only am I building a great story but I’m also buying myself an enormous amount of time. In order to free up the same amount of time in the US, I would have to climb the corporate ladder, save money and one day hope I have enough to quit my job. To me that strategy is way to passive. Add in the fact that much of what I will be focusing on will revolve around picking up beautiful women. What better place to go then Eastern Europe, where I can find an abundance of women I fancy.

      2. That’s not to say I’ve given up on America. I still believe there is hope for this country. I still believe America is the greatest country in the world. There is no question that we have swung to far to the left, but everything comes in cycles. There is a health craze right now that will lead to people getting back in shape. More and more young citizens are realizing that a college education is not the only way to be successful. I’m optimistic that we are at the peak of divorce rates and we will see a reversal towards traditional families again. The American dream is still alive. I can imagine a scenario where I move back to America to start a family. I’m not running away at all. Instead I’m running towards my goals and my future. America: I’ll be back.

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      Matt - February 26, 2016

      Nick, Kyle great responses gents. You both make great points and provide ample evidence for why the move is the best step for you. Nick,I have never thought of purchasing power in the context of receiving its benefits full time by living in EE. Kyle, I appreciate your honest feedback and what you say about getting out of the daily grind. To each is own! Good luck out there fellas – M

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        Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

        Thanks Matt!

        Glad we could have a great discussion about it. Hope to see you comment again soon.

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          Matt - February 26, 2016

          Absolutely guys, very cool of you to both respond to the comment then tweet it out, good solid discussion. Have fun out there

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        Brissbrass - February 26, 2016

        Thanks Matt. Time is one thing we all have a finite supply of.

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          Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

          Ain’t that the truth…

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        The Single Rebel - February 26, 2016

        There are different ways of doing things:

        Victor Pride taught English in China living in a 100$ bedroom when he was Kyle’s age, then moved to Thailand and Vietnam for an extended period of time while building his brand.

        Now he’s back in the USA and kicking ass. I wouldn’t call that ‘running away’.

        Totally agree with you on a couple of things tho: parts of the manosphere have turned really bitter and apocalyptic instead of solution-oriented – and that angry tone can slip into some other authors’ content even when we don’t really mean it.

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          Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

          Nailed it.

          And if I start coming across like that, I want guys to call me out – just like Matt did.

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    Brissbrass - February 26, 2016

    Matt may not know that I’m also leaving my job and traveling with Kyle this summer. I have two points in response to Matt.

    1. For me the move to Eastern Europe is logistical. It is expensive to live in America. Which is a bad thing if you live here, but a good thing if you travel to another country. The purchasing power an American has with minimal savings in EE is huge. I look at moving to EE as a tactical advantage. In a month I will be able to work full time on my online brand. That is the beauty of the world we live in today. You are missing out on a great opportunity as a young entrepreneur if you are not taking advantage of this purchasing power imbalance. Many of the countries in EE have quality standards of living. This makes working in one of these countries no only enjoyable but financially a great idea. I view this move as an investment for the future. Not only am I building a great story but I’m also buying myself an enormous amount of time. In order to free up the same amount of time in the US, I would have to climb the corporate ladder, save money and one day hope I have enough to quit my job. To me this strategy is way to passive.

    2. That’s not to say I’ve given up on America. I still believe there is hope for this country. I still believe America is the greatest country in the world. There is no question that we have swung to far to the left, but everything comes in cycles. There is a health craze right now that will lead to people getting back in shape. More and more young citizens are realizing that a college education is not the only way to be successful. I’m optimistic that we are at the peak of divorce rates and we will see a reversal towards traditional families again. The American dream is still alive. I can imagine a scenario where I move back to America to start a family. I’m not running away at all. Instead I’m running towards my goals and my future. America: I’ll be back.

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      Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

      Great comment, Nick.

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      Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

      Also, I will admit this comment makes me think: I definitely have bitterness, probably not to the level as Matt’s comment implies – but definitely more than say, Nick.

      I want Trump to win, but don’t have any huge desire to try to “save” America. I don’t think it’s the greatest place in the world, and while I’m optimistic about his other points – as of now, i just don’t care all that much. I suppose I’m not as much of a patriot as Nick.

      On the flip side, I’ve made peace with the fact there is a good chance I won’t want to return to permanently live here ever.

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dave - February 26, 2016

Good for you man, wish I would have done that when I was your age. I ended up chasing the golden carrot and doing everything society expects a guy to do and it’s all bullshit to keep you as a wage slave. It’s great to see so many young guys realizing this at an age where they can really take advantage of it.

Now that I’ve woken up, I have zero debt, I’m no longer keeping up with the Joneses and I’m on track to retire early in about 8 years. Then I’m off to fully live and enjoy the life I want.

Good luck.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

    Thanks for the well wishes my man. I’m sorry to hear you went down the rabbit hole for the golden carrot.

    Can you elaborate on what you do now and your plans for retirement? How old are you, etc.?

    Maybe a little context will help some other guys, too as its probably a great example of “what not to do”.

    Regardless, appreciate the comment!

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      dave - February 26, 2016

      My retirement plan is to buy a sailboat and take off cruising the world, it’s not as expensive as most people think. So I’ll be spending my time exploring, surfing, learning how to kiteboard and maintaining/fixing the boat. When I get tired of an area I’ll move on, to me it represents a kind of freedom that is difficult to get otherwise.

      I’m 41, so I’m probably older than most of your readers. If I would have woken up to things earlier, I’d probably already have moved on but now the fact that I’m close to a very nice retirement package makes it hard. I often try and give advice to young coworkers. I try to get them to look at things like Mr Money mustache, Early retirement extreme, The 4hr workweek or read Seneca’s On the shortness of life. It doesn’t work, they want a new full size truck, the newest iphone and all the other things. Then they end up living paycheck to paycheck even though they make 100k a year.

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        Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - February 26, 2016

        If there’s no motor (or just a tiny one), smaller upfront cost + less maintenance…makes a lot of sense. When people hear, “Retire, sail the world” they are thinking of a huge yacht.

        That 100k a year paycheck to paycheck is all too typical.

        I’m looking at my future as: keep costs down, build a ton of revenue streams (I’m realistic to know this blog may not last forever), develop actual PRODUCTS down the road (working on some of this with my Dad), and then see where it all takes me.

        Great comment and thank you for sharing.

        Reply
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Ash @ Iron Will Digital - March 3, 2016

Congrats, Kyle – I can’t wait until my business allows me to do the same thing – for good.

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - March 3, 2016

    Thanks Ash, appreciate that.

    Also, you may want to put the finishing touches on your site…I just assumed and punched IronWillDigital.com into my browser and while the site looks good, there’s quite a few blank pages.

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      Ash @ Iron Will Digital - March 3, 2016

      Thanks for the feedback Kyle – I had been just editing my site. I will go through everything and test it in a different browser. Thanks for the heads up!

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      Ash @ Iron Will Digital - March 3, 2016

      Just fixed everything! Thanks very much! Was caught in between fixing the site and everything. Affiliate Program page is just filled with coming soon text as that is being rolled out in the near future – Also, been reading for a long time here – I really enjoy your writing style. When you told your story of your teenage years and losing weight and all was one of the most enjoyable reads ever!

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        Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - March 3, 2016

        Glad to help, I recognize you from Twitter – glad to see you’re making some efforts to break free as well.

        Good luck and certainly let me know if I can be of any hand.

        Reply
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Karolis - April 7, 2016

Great post Kyle. It’s curious to see how you could end up so disappointed with USA…If I were in your skin I could relate with you really, I can imagine how can it feels…why? Because I see how many young people here in Europe think that the “american dream” that they imagine and you were living will bring them better lives…Maybe it can be food for thought for you? Maybe is because of the grass is greener outside that many young people feel when they’ve been in a place inside their comfort zone for so long? Honestly I would prefer Europe, I feel aligned with your values 🙂

Greetings from Spain, hope to see you here or in Lithuania 😛

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    Kyle [ThisIsTrouble.com] - April 7, 2016

    Karolis,

    Thank you! Yes, the grass always seems greener but maybe not so green once you’re inside. I will find that out for sure this year; though so far I definitely think it’s greener here in Eastern Europe.

    I may be in Madrid come May, so please get in touch if it works to meet up!

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