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Bitter Old Men

On my ROK article:

I appreciate Trouble’s enthusiasm about red pill issues, but after a few subpar articles he has written, I would suggest perhaps he gain a little more experience before attempting to teach other red pill men. How much can a 22 year old new college grad who recently discovered the red pill actually teach us? Offer different perspectives, yes, but not “teach” much, per se.

Same old, same old, really.

Another old man who is simply bitter than he didn’t find the red pill at my age criticizing me simply because I’m in my 20s.  Yawn.

As far as the articles and their quality, there is nothing I can say to that.  Everyone has their own opinion.  If you dislike my work, simply don’t read it.  There are blogs I don’t enjoy, so I simply don’t read them.  Crazy concept, ain’t it?

I have lots to teach.  There’s hundreds of young men out there whose eyes are going to be flung wide open by stumbling across sites like my own and ROK.  Sure, my life may not be applicable to this guy at his age.  Much like his would not be applicable to mine.  You don’t see me spouting material and advertising that I have the best advice for 40 year olds though, do you?  Sure, game may be universal across all ages, but I recognize the vast discrepancies between gaming in your 20s and your 50s.

Much like many men who are unfortunate enough to not swallow the red pill until much later in life, his comment reeks of the typical comments they spout.  They’re simply bitter, jealous, and lack the confidence to appreciate my commentary for what it is and move on.  Only insecure men would feel the need to write comments like that anonymously on a message board.  A better man would take what he could and move on.

If you want to check out some “older” guys with the healthy perspectives, here are some links.  Make sure you bring your AARP card 😉

  • March 19, 2014
  • AARP, my ass! Buncha communists over there…
    Think I’ll take over the Bilderburgs instead!

  • Python says:

    you go man. im 27 right now born and raised in eastern europe i naturally knew red pill stuff (its life for us not red pill), but youre good at it 😉

  • People often want to denigrate people based upon their age. It is an easy target.
    Currently people seem to believe that adolescence continues into someone’s late twenties.
    I know first hand that this concept is bullshit. In the military, 20 year old people perform maintenance on helicopters that can kill when done incorrectly, and 22 year olds are signing that person’s work off as safe.
    This is to say nothing of the thousands of combat vets entrusted with our nation’s very reputation each time they make a life or death decision.
    People rise to the expectations placed upon them.
    Just because our rotten society expects people in their twenties to be useless doesn’t mean they all are.
    A man’s actions/writing/opinions are to be judged on their merit alone.
    Also, never forget that Alexander conquered the world in his twenties.
    Young does not equal stupid.

  • Python says:

    Von Munschausen, people often want alot of things, fuck them, only your result matters. And military yeah, it still makes men from pussies, i have some friends who completely transformed in military 😉

  • tickletik says:

    I’m disappointed with this post. I came to this blog precisely because I liked your writing and was impressed with the level of insight. The age difference, I’m in my forties, you are early twenties, only impressed me all the more.

    If he has that much insight starting out, then I need to read everything this guy has written.

    But this article is incredibly disappointing. What does it add? What does it contribute? Superficial judgements are not absolute truth, but they shouldn’t be ignored either. Yet you have taken the words of some random idiot and wasted an entire post on it. The only reason you would do that is if you thought there was an element of truth in it.

    If you had written an article about that question, it would have been interesting.

    Instead you took a much more cowardly approach to write some snarky crap about bitter old men and how you are soooooo bored with random asshole commentator that you are actually yawning. Which is more snarky irony. Because obviously if you have to type out the word “yawn” you are taking action to respond to something that provoked you enough to type it out.

    It would have been better to either reply directly to the asshole who made the comment, or say nothing, or actually bring up the entire topic as a sincere question.

    This article was a downer. But I suppose you are only human like the rest of us.

    • You are right to an extent. I am 22 and slightly brash, cocky as all hell, and possibly slightly ignorant.

      Yes, this random idiot struck a nerve. I can admit that. I hate basically being called a moron because of my age. It pisses me off because I’ve always had to fight against that in my life – and not just in blogging. Career, girls, etc. everyone wants to judge me on that and in reality I’m more intelligent and capable than almost everyone.

      Regardless, part of being a man is calling people on their bullshit and standing up for yourself, even if it’s snarky.

  • Tin Man says:

    Hey Trouble – great article … from personal experience, truth is truth, regardless of how old someone is. The key is to remain open to receiving it. I learn as much from the younger guys (even you at the Tinder age of 22) as I do from some of the Men that are older like me (at 52). There is both a positive and a negative to being a bit older and finding this crap out – and to tell you the truth, there are times when I feel a bit sad for someone in their 20’s getting this knowledge – if for no other reason than one you know, there is not turning back.

    OH and yes, I could believe they have dropped the age for AARP, not going to join anytime soon though.

    Keep up the great work – write, learn, push, act, question – use this knowledge to propel yourself forward. And always lead from the front.

  • Mike says:

    I’m 43 and I am bitter..because I didnt found the red pill at 20. No doubt a 20 year old could teach me something..and perhaps me him. Anyways this red pill thing is going to spread, and be strong that’s for sure. The new strong red pillers are going to give a strong reaction to the intolerable (western) bitches..

  • Anon-from-Europe says:

    Dear cocky, ignorant and brash Trouble.Maker

    honestly, you’re one of my favorites of the Manosphere/red pill weblogs (etc.), I’ve followed your weblog for a long while now. Unfortunately though, this is one of the few times (https://thisistrouble.com/2013/10/25/re-my-latest-return-of-kings-post-a-22-year-old-just-cannot-give-you-life-advice-period/ as well) the commenter was right to an extent. Most likely because of your age you made this and the other posts. This is unfortunate because your writing is of the highest quality, both the information and the quality of the texts.
    Sir, keep up the great work and that means keeping up the great work and refraining from letting people who hit a nerve of yours manage to make you rant about them. That’s what they want, namely…

    Looking as much forward to your future posts as always!

    Best regards,
    Anon-from-Europe

    • Firstly, thank you for the nice comments and I appreciate you reading!

      And you are correct. The age thing really strikes a nerve with me, because I know if I substituted 40 in for 22 then people would never make the comments.

      You are right though, the posts I’ve made about it is exactly what they want – a reaction. Ultimately though, I think it’s…entertaining? But possibly degrading to myself and the usual quality that people expect from my website.

      In any case, that is good food for thought.

  • Dude, thanks for getting back to me!

    A food for thought for me was your mentioning the importance of entertainment.
    One the one hand, your making this and the other post mentioned by me is you succumbing to a weakness of yours, namely the need to, in a certain way, rationalize yourself by ranting (tell me in what way I might be wrong in this peculiar explanation) … whereas on the other hand, posts like these are, as you say, entertainment.

    So what is the point of the weblog?

    In your case, it feels as if you enjoyed blogging and had experienced, quite early in life, a whole bunch of things which most peers will either experience when they’re in the thirties or, as in most cases, never experience as they’ll stay beta-providers forever.

    • you enjoy blogging = it’s not a chore
    • it’s not a chore = you write better
    • you write better + you’re a gifted writer anyhow = even better writing
    • even better writing + productive information based on experience = a great weblog
    • a great weblog + extra “entertainment” = This is Trouble (and a lots of it I might add, hah!)

    What I learned from this thoughtfood was that you’re doing everything right. Absolutely everything. You give productive information with occasional pure-entertainment posts to keep the readers happy.

    What I’d like to ask you, though, is that you better yourself in the same speed and manner you have until now. At least if I remember correctly, without going over all your posts to get my facts 100% straight, you were at some date a fat computer nerd and proceeded to waste a bunch of your life as a young smart man as a beta-provider. Now you’re a fit, socially adept computer nerd ( 😉 ) with a respectable paycheck and a, uhm, respectable “# count” for a man of your ag … for a man of any age, and on top of that you’re again in a relationship in which you don’t fall into beta-provider-ness. And you’re, like, 22 or 23. Dude, one word: damn! Because you’re so extremely far ahead of your peers you slip once in a while: the posts I mentioned. Your faults are thus “punished” harshly due to your age. Because of your premature maturity I ask you to learn from this and thus, because you want us to “always be growing”, listen to your own advice and become even grander than your are already. (if you have already, which you most likely have, I respectfully withdraw my comments)

    The correct thing now is for me to party invalidate my previous post for I now see the importance of “entertainment” in the weblog-sphere. Although you didn’t say much, this provided me with a big-ass plate of food for thought and I thank you again for getting back to me.

    In conclusion I’d like to say that you should be proud of yourself and that I’ll be watching you! I also wish you a big shock when visiting our humble Old World but also an amazing time.

    Hoping we’ll have a chance to speak again I wish you all the best!

    Somebody from Europe

    • All very, very good points. Thanks for responding to me.

      I think it just frustrates me, because as a brash, cocky 22 year old, I think I’m better than most people at, well, just about anything. And there is quite a bit of truth to that, I’m very fortunate to be very gifted on many levels.

      The problem is when that’s the first “boundary” for me. For example, I just got passed on a promotion at work. Am I more capable than anyone else, technically? Yes. Are my people skills better than everyone’s? Yes. The one area I’m NOT better than the other candidates? My workforce experience – but that’s not something I can control.

      Just another reason to say fuck the world and start my own business which is starting to gain steam.

      You are right, though. I should not focus on these things that are out of my control.

      If you want to get a beer in Europe (dunno where you live, exactly), shoot me an email through the contact page!

  • Dude, thanks for getting back to me!

    A food for thought for me was your mentioning the importance of entertainment.
    One the one hand, your making this and the other post mentioned by me is you succumbing to a weakness of yours, namely the need to, in a certain way, rationalize yourself by ranting (tell me in what way I might be wrong in this peculiar explanation) … whereas on the other hand, posts like these are, as you say, entertainment.

    So what is the point of the weblog?

    In your case, it feels as if you enjoyed blogging and had experienced, quite early in life, a whole bunch of things which most peers will either experience when they’re in the thirties or, as in most cases, never experience as they’ll stay beta-providers forever.

    • you enjoy blogging = it’s not a chore
    • it’s not a chore = you write better
    • you write better + you’re a gifted writer anyhow = even better writing
    • even better writing + productive information based on experience = a great weblog
    • a great weblog + extra “entertainment” = This is Trouble (and a lots of it I might add, hah!)

    What I learned from this thoughtfood was that you’re doing everything right. Absolutely everything. You give productive information with occasional pure-entertainment posts to keep the readers happy.

    What I’d like to ask you, though, is that you better yourself in the same speed and manner you have until now. At least if I remember correctly, without going over all your posts to get my facts 100% straight, you were at some date a fat computer nerd and proceeded to waste a bunch of your life as a young smart man as a beta-provider. Now you’re a fit, socially adept computer nerd ( 😉 ) with a respectable paycheck and a, uhm, respectable “# count” for a man of your ag … for a man of any age, and on top of that you’re again in a relationship in which you don’t fall into beta-provider-ness. And you’re, like, 22 or 23. Dude, one word: damn! Because you’re so extremely far ahead of your peers you slip once in a while: the posts I mentioned. Your faults are thus “punished” harshly due to your age. Because of your premature maturity I ask you to learn from this and thus, because you want us to “always be growing”, listen to your own advice and become even grander than your are already. (if you have already, which you most likely have, I respectfully withdraw my comments)

    The correct thing now is for me to party invalidate my previous post for I now see the importance of “entertainment” in the weblog-sphere. Although you didn’t say much, this provided me with a big-ass plate of food for thought and I thank you again for getting back to me.

    In conclusion I’d like to say that you should be proud of yourself and that I’ll be watching you! I also wish you a big shock when visiting our humble Old World but also an amazing time.

    Hoping we’ll have a chance to speak again I wish you all the best!

    Somebody from Europe

  • Arbiter says:

    I recognize this from when I was in my younger twenties. I knew that I knew more than many who were ten years older than me. And as for game, things like Facebook game or the night club scene change not only from era to era but for different ages in that era. Being 22 and going to a club now will be a different experience than it was for someone who was 22 in the 1990s.

    Wisdom is determined by (1) experience processed by (2) intelligence, which takes (3) time. More of any of these three factors will increase your wisdom. So yes, wisdom increases with age. But an intelligent man with a lot of experience – and a lot of willingness to look up information – will often have more wisdom in his younger twenties than many other men have in their forties.

    One more factor: (4) courage. You need the courage to process the wisdom and not close your eyes to the conclusions. This is why you can easily find people with a high intelligence who are less wise than some with a lower intelligence but more courage. Many have physical courage, but social courage – the courage to go against the Correct opinions – is in shorter supply. Yet it is necessary in order to gain wisdom. Courage is truly one of the greatest virtues.

  • Arbiter says:

    I recognize this from when I was in my younger twenties. I knew that I knew more than many who were ten years older than me. And as for game, things like Facebook game or the night club scene change not only from era to era but for different ages in that era. Being 22 and going to a club now will be a different experience than it was for someone who was 22 in the 1990s.

    Wisdom is determined by (1) experience processed by (2) intelligence, which takes (3) time. More of any of these three factors will increase your wisdom. So yes, wisdom increases with age. But an intelligent man with a lot of experience – and a lot of willingness to look up information – will often have more wisdom in his younger twenties than many other men have in their forties.

    One more factor: (4) courage. You need the courage to process the wisdom and not close your eyes to the conclusions. This is why you can easily find people with a high intelligence who are less wise than some with a lower intelligence but more courage. Many have physical courage, but social courage – the courage to go against the Correct opinions – is in shorter supply. Yet it is necessary in order to gain wisdom. Courage is truly one of the greatest virtues.

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